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Audio: Guess Who’s Back-Once Again… A T.Reid Re-Mix!

TR:
Incredible indeed!
I’m referring both to our last three episodes featuring the 2018 Holman Prize winners. And today, we go back…
Audio: Chuck D says Back!

back to catch up with the 2017 Holman Prize trio.

I’m T.Reid. Allow me to welcome you to the podcast.

Reid My Mind Radio is simply my space to share stories that you may not get anywhere else. Well, at least from my perspective and told in the way I like to tell them. Occasionally I share stories around my own experience of blindness.

Maybe you wonder why? Well, why not! Everyone has a story to tell. It’s up to you to find the relevance, the meaning. It’s up to me to find the focus, keep it moving and hopefully make it sound cool.

There’s a few ingredients to doing that, the first is my theme music!

Audio: Reid My Mind Radio Theme Music

TR:

Listening to podcasts can be an intimate experience. Just think about it, if you’re wearing earbuds or headphones especially, the person speaking is right there. As a listener I know I have come to feel as though I know the person on the other side of the recording.

As a producer, not only do I get to interact with the guest during our conversation and email exchanges, I’m editing their words. By the time you hear the end result I listened to what they had to say for hours.

Add in the fact that my guests are often impacted by disability so we have a shared experience.

Well I’m not ashamed to say that I often become very fond of guests. Not in a creepy way, rather I become a fan, a cheerleader on the sideline routing for their success.

The three 2017 Holman Prize winners are a great example of this. Each having a specific aspect of their life in common with mine. So watching them from a far fulfill their Holman Ambition was exciting and in some way I felt emotionally invested.

In the next three episodes I’m bringing you an update directly from Ojok Simon, Ahmet Ustenel and we begin with Penny Melville Brown.

PMB:
Is that you?

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
That is me! (Laughs…)

PMB:
Helloooo!

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
Hello Penny, how are you?

TR:

Yes, she was expecting my call, but who wouldn’t like such a kind greeting. Plus, I love the British sayings….

PMB:
I actually had it in my hand so I wasn’t going to make a big breakfast of it.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
Laughs!

TR:

Remember Penny Melville Brown? She’s the 2017 Holman Prize winner and host of Baking Blind where she cooks up new recipes each episode giving viewers an empowering taste of blindness and disability.

Here she is from our original 2017 episode

PMB:

My first career was in the Royal Navy.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
Why did you want to enlist in the Royal Navy in the first place?

PMB:
I needed a complete change of life.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
What were you doing prior to that?

PMB:

Well I was at university so I completed my degree. I done a postgraduate qualification. I was due to get married the following year and my fiancé was killed in a car accident so I decided that I needed a complete change.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
Oh, I’m so sorry!

TR:

When I spoke with Penny and the other Holman Prize winners, it was shortly before they actually received their prize at the San Francisco Lighthouse.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]

So what I thought we could do was kind of go back and revisit when you were in San Francisco. Just tell me a little about what that was like getting your award and meeting your other Holman prize recipients.

PMB:
San Francisco was really exciting and I was introduced to this delightful facility called Lighthouse. They have lots of functions and facilities on three floors to support visually impaired and blind people. And lots of very positive people who understand the sort of challenges we face and have got lots of answers for it. That was really positive.

TR:
The Lighthouse had a week of activities scheduled for the inaugural prize winners.

PMB:
I did some cooking in their training kitchen. I did cooking in a really super restaurant called One Market. Lots of good experiences even going on the beach to be near the Pacific Ocean which I hadn’t done before. And that was great!

TR:

After the week long Holman festivities Penny was slated to kick-off her Baking Blind global adventure.

Among the many destinations that would take her to six continents, China Live , in San Francisco’s Chinatown was her first stop.

PMB:

Where I was cooking with this absolutely exceptional top chef called Louis.

TR:

San Francisco has lots of flavor!

PMB:

A place called Brown Sugar. Cajun Creole cooking and they were showing me how to make southern fried chicken and waffles and shrimp and grits.

The Cheeseball Collective – they make lots of Sourdough breads and they’re famous for their pizza.

Audio: Airplane taking off!
TR:

In Virginia Beach, alongside another Naval Commander, Penny cooked lunch for about 20 people.

PMB:

And that’s where we celebrated The 100 years Centenary Celebration of the Women’s Royal Naval Service.

Then I came back to the UK for a week to catch my breath.

Audio: Airplane taking off!
Then I was in Chongqing in China. That is the biggest city in the whole world!
It is amazing, vibrant, inspirational, colorful, friendly, buzzing…

There I cooked with professional chefs in the hotel, but also with home cooks.

We also supported a couple of local blind women who really get no training on cooking at all. When the professional Chinese chefs took them onboard it was quite heart stopping.
The empathy between them, the care with which they were showing these young women how to cook probably for the first time in their lives. I just stepped back and let them get on with it.
One of the most important touching events of being there.

Audio: Airplane taking off!

TR:

Then we head down under to Australia. I’ll let Penny

PMB:

A place called Kiama! I think that’s how you say it.

We cooked with some local home cooks, but also with an Aboriginal chef. And that was really amazing.

TR:
During the trip, Toby, Penny’s nephew and camera man along with a friend were swimming in the sea and got caught in a undercurrent.

PMB:
So we had 4 police cars, 2 paramedic units 2 helicopters doing an air sea rescue for them.

Another 5 ten minutes at least one of them would have been gone.

## TR:

Fortunately, everyone turned out ok.

After cooking with some other blind cooks in Sydney and doing more in Perth, Penny was off to Malawi.

PMB:
In Africa. We flew into the capital LiLongwe. and we stayed at a really unusual hotel called the Latitude Hotel.

They use a lot of recycled items in their decor.

TR:

Getting out and cooking in the community was always one of Penny’s top priorities. In Malawi, she had the chance to observe a celebration for a village leader and meet with members of the Albino community.

PMB:

They face huge problems in various parts of Africa.

Because they don’t have pigmentation in their skin, they are very prone to skin cancer.

They have significant problems getting employment , being socially integrated. The propensity for Albinism out there is quite high.

In the past a lot of them have been attacked because their bones are considered to have ritual magic properties. So Albinos will be killed. Their bones will be dug up and exported for ritual magic.

They’re an incredibly vulnerable group.

TR:

Being with the people further expanded her concept of how cooking is done around the world.

PMB:
A couple of bricks on the ground. Some fire between the bricks and a pot stuck on top of it.

The chicken arrived live and had to be taken away and head cut off, plucked. It produced eggs during this process which were dually cooked. It was breath taking stuff.

It was a real privilege to spend some time with them.

Audio: Air Plane

And then I came home. And I was over in France just before Christmas looking out for some new cooking opportunities when I had this big accident.

Audio: Sad music & ambience

I don’t really remember the accident

TR:
That’s the car accident in France that left Penny in a coma for 6 weeks. Intensive care for 2 months followed by a lot of physical therapy in a rehabilitation hospital.

PMB:

Because I’d broken my C2 Vertebrae. To be honest, I very nearly died.

I broke all the ribs down my left side, my sternum, another vertebrae lower in my organs got a bit bashed up too. I was in this sort of corset for gosh, nearly three months I think where they had to support my head and stop me moving because everything was so vulnerable because it was all this broken bone waffling around my spinal cord. Being Blind I didn’t understand what was going on all over my face so they had to tie me up so I couldn’t pull the tubes out. because if I had they wouldn’t been able to put them back and I would have died. All that time in bed meant that I had huge muscle wastage. Regrettably I didn’t lose any other weight, but I lost a lot of muscle. Then it took me about three months to learn to walk again and to build the strength just to sit up, just to stand up to walk.

So now I’m going through ongoing physio therapy, a bit of speech therapy because it affect my voice just a bit, I got a bit of PTSD… o gosh it’s all stuff and I’m getting through it.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]

Wow!

First of all I’m so happy that you are on the phone and you sound well. It sounds like you’re getting well?

PMB:
I am. I’m full of beans.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
Laughs…

The reference to beans and being full of them would have a whole different connotation in the states. Laughs…

PMB:
Laughs…

Perhaps if you think of jumping beans. How’s that?

[TR in conversation with PMB:]

Ok, ok, yeah, I know… it sounds, it sounds lovely!

TR:

But really, I’m just glad she’s recovering.

In addition to focusing on her rehab, Penny’s publishing the videos, recipes and blog posts documenting her journey.

PMB:

Oh I didn’t tell you about Costa Rica where we got caught in storm Nate.

TR:

For that full story, videos and more you’re going to have to go over to Baking Blind.com or visit her YouTube channel by the same name.

PMB:

Which I hope all your listeners will go “Like” and comment and particularly subscribe to.

TR:

Observing the Holman Prize winners from a far, you may not stop to consider the amount of planning and project management that goes into fulfilling these ambitions. Think of the details.

So of course I wanted to know what lessons were learned along this journey.

PMB:

I learned some French in hospital! Laughs…

TR:

Talk about making the best of a bad situation.
But she has more.

PMB:

I learned to try and pace myself which I don’t.

Life should be an adventure. You should go out and meet the challenges and not be frightened.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
Based on the experience that you had, I’m sure that there are people who would say you see that’s why I don’t go anywhere, that’s why I don’t do anything because this could happen. You’re not saying that. You’re saying don’t be frightened. How can you say that after all that you’ve been through?

PMB:
Well, I think being organized is really important. You know what you’re going to do where you going to do it. You have it all accessible to you. In audio or whatever you want to do. You have it all mapped out but then you play a bit of it freestyle. Otherwise life would be very dull.

TR:
Dull is not how I would describe Penny or her Baking Blind global experience.

Her final lesson sounds pretty consistent with this podcast.

PMB:

Enjoy people

It was always the people that were most important. Recipes were ancillary the cooking was ancillary. Always it was the people.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
What are you going to do after this year is over?

PMB:

I would just like to show there’s a different way of living if you’re willing to go and take the chance.

I would love somebody to say come and do Baking Blind with us.

I am perhaps going to manage a book out of it, but I could do with a publisher. Anybody knows of a publisher get in touch. But otherwise suppose I’ll just putter back to my kitchen and do humble cooking again. No, I don’t think that’s me at all do you?

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
No! Laughs…

PMB:
Laughs…

I’ll be looking for new adventures.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]

Good!

TR:

Like the end of a good movie, this is The Adventures of Penny & Baking Blind part one.

Whatever the next adventure is I hope she will share it here with the Reid My Mind Radio family.

Make sure you all go and subscribe to her YouTube channel and check out Baking Blind.com for more on her adventures.

Next time, we’re going to hear from the Captain, Ahmet Ustenel who was kayaking the Bosporus Strait from Europe to Asia, solo!

Don’t miss that episode or any other. Subscribe to the podcast.
We’re available from Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, Tune In Radio, Sound Cloud and your favorite podcast app. You can always slide on over to Reid My Mind.com. Say it with me…
R E to the I D! Spelled like my last name.

And now, I’m off to cook up a 5 course meal…

PMB:
Hearty Laugh.

TR:

Hey, I really am!

PMB:
Hearty Laugh.

TR:

Yeah, you’re right!

Peace!

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TR:
What’s up Reid My Mind Radio Family!

Today I’m bringing you the first of a three part series. And you know what they say about three right…

[Reid My Mind Radio Theme]
TR:
You’ve probably heard of well-known explorers like Magellan, Columbus, Marco Polo? What about Holman; James Holman.

Born in 1786 Holman went on to join the British Royal Navy and became lieutenant in 1807. In 1810he was struck by an illness that first afflicted his joints, then finally his vision.

By 25 years old he was totally blind. He eventually decided to go on to study medicine and literature.

Holman became an adventurer, author and social observer who circumnavigated the globe. Undertaking a series of solo journeys that were unprecedented visiting all inhabited continents.

Holman eventually was forgotten.

In 2006, Jason Roberts published the award winning biography
A Sense of the World: How a Blind Man Became History’s Greatest Traveler.  

Today is the first in a three part series where we meet the three winners of the Holman Prize.

Brought to you by the San Francisco Lighthouse, 25,000 dollars is given to each of the three legally blind winners. Each in their own way exhibit the adventurous spirit and attitude of James Holman

All applicants had to create a 90 second video describing their ambition and describe how they would use the money.

A team of judges all of whom are blind reviewed each video and selected three winners.

Let’s begin with one winner in particular, who you will notice, has several things in common with James Holman. Plus, I was taught, ladies first!

PMB:

Well I’m Penny Mellville-Brown and I live in Hampshire in the United Kingdom. My first career was in the Royal Navy.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
Why did you want to enlist in the Royal Navy in the first place?

PMB:
I needed a complete change of life.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
What were you doing prior to that?

PMB:

Well I was at university so I completed my degree. I done a postgraduate qualification. I was due to get married the following year and my fiancé was killed in a car accident so I decided that I needed a complete change.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
Oh, I’m so sorry!

PMB:
I applied for every job that was going that looked vaguely interesting and I ended up in the Royal Navy. think in those days the women had their own service so I actually joined the Women’s Royal Naval Service WRNS) and twenty seventeen is the Centenary of their formation.

in the late ninety’s the women were integrated with the men so although I started off as a third officer which is the same as a sub left tenant, by the time I left I was wearing navy gold braid and had naval rank. I was what was in those days called the secretariat officer so I was doing NATO intelligence. I was doing home defense war planning, corporate public relations in the Ministry of Defense. Running the naval units in the universities and then I literally sat next to somebody at lunch and they said. “OH what we need is a female barrister.” I said, “I could do that.”

TR:
A barrister is a lawyer- mostly specializing in courtroom advocacy and litigation.

The US equivalent;

PMB:
Think of me as Tom Cruise…

[Audio: A Few Good Men Starring Tom Cruise & Jack Nicholson]

PMB:
Laughs, But not too much!

and then within about a year of qualifying my eyesight started deteriorating. I struggled on for about a year or two and went on to do another job. And then it all got pretty critical and I was having to lose the sight in one eye or actually I was going to die so I gave up that I. Went back to work in the Royal Navy and then the other eye started going and then I got promoted but by that stage I probably wasn’t driving. I used to be on one of those great big old tri-cycles. Do you know what those are? You know a three wheeler bike and that’s how I used to I used to cycle around the dockyard the naval base, terrifying everybody.

In the end it was obvious that I wasn’t going to be able to carry on a really successful career in the Navy so I was medically discharged as a war pensioner

## TR:
Penny’s vision loss was caused by Uveitis, a form of eye inflammation affecting the middle layer of tissue in the eye wall known as the uvea.

Possibly another connection to James Holman.

One similar trait that appears pretty certain

PMB:
OH! I Can do that!

TR:
That’s right! A can do attitude.

Her response to going blind?

PMB:
I think I was really lucky.

Firstly because the onset of my vision impairment took probably four or five years. That meant that I could adapt to it to some extent. I think it’s really difficult to do the adaptation. At least I had a bit more time rather than having some major injury which of course some of the naval veterans and other veterans have but I think so important was that I was able to work in the Royal Navy for probably three or more years with
very little vision and that proved to me that I could still do as good a job as anyone else. Just because I was blind was completely immaterial.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
Did that take some advocacy on your part or were they just open to that?

PMB:
They were pretty supportive.

You will hear that I’m quite a determined person

[TR in conversation with PMB]
Oh yeh, I can hear that already!

TR & PMB:Laughs!

## TR:
Although Penny knew she could work and be productive and
sought assistance in planning for her future,
service organizations weren’t as helpful as expected.

PMB:
They didn’t know what to do with me. One just kept taking me out for lunch which was very charming but pretty useless.

TR:
A can do attitude means,
you find or create the solution.

Penny decided helping others with disabilities gain employment
was a worthwhile goal that she could work towards fulfilling.

PMB:so actually I took my uniform off one day and two days later I set myself up as a disability consultant and within a year I’d set up Disability Dynamics.

So I spent lots of time helping employers with employment policies around disability.

TR:
Serving on boards like the UK’s equivalent of the IRS and working with other governmental agencies was one aspect of Disability Dynamics, Penny’s disability consulting company.

Working directly with people with disabilities, Penny found real joy and success helping others gain their independence.

PMB:
One of the things I found most successful and most rewarding was helping people to start their own businesses and become self-employed. It means that they’re in control of their work where they work how they work when they work so that they can manage employment alongside a health condition. We had you know hundreds and hundreds of people contacting us for help and turned out lots and lots of businesses everything from a funeral director, people who did dog walking, somebody was training microlight pilots all sorts of things. Really inventive different ideas often built from their own hobbies that they turned into a
business that made them feel great again; independent, financially not reliant on the state and usually improve their health and it particularly improved their family relationships.

PMB:

TR:
Seeking a way to reach more people. Penny began with an idea sparked from something she enjoyed.

PMB:
I always make Christmas hampers for my friends and family.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
A hamper to me is where we put dirty clothes! Laughs!

PMB:
Here we would call that a dirty linen basket.

TR:
A hamper simply put, is a gift of food.

PMB:
I was making at least fifty little Christmas cakes to go into these hampers and I thought well why don’t we video that. And just see whether this has got any legs whatsoever. My brother had some spare time so he came up and videoed it and I’d made some little Pewter Christmas cake decorations, so we popped those on the top and that’s how Baking Blind got started.

TR:
This was late November early December 2016.
Posting the videos to YouTube, Penny’s aspirations were more than sharing recipes.
PMB:
I was looking for something to demonstrate to others that just because you’re blind doesn’t mean you can’t do stuff.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
Let me stop you…

PMB:
Sure.

Me sitting on the board well perhaps twelve other people see that. Me delivering projects well perhaps five hundred people might know that. Yes, thank you for spotting that. That is, that is what it’s about. It’s getting real traction in the much wider population.

TR:
Putting yourself in the public can risk being seen as seeking attention.

Penny is very clear to note that this isn’t about her. She’s only 1 person who is blind, 1 person with a disability.

PMB:
there are loads more of us with all those capabilities who just want to do a good job, integrate into society, have a place in their communities rather than sit at home and be lonely and miserable.

TR:
That’s one of the objectives of the Holman Prize; challenging the misperception that people who are blind are limited to four walls.

Contestants vying for the 25,000 prize had a wide range of goals including establishing businesses, providing technology for others and even becoming president of their country.

PMB:
And there was me just saying Oh I think I want to cook some buns you know.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
But it’s so much more than buns! How exactly are you going to fulfill your mission using the Holman Prize.

[Audio: Up tempo music begins…]

PMB:
I’m going out to San Francisco to have an orientation with the lighthouse team and then we’re trying to line up some cooking opportunities while I’m in
San Francisco.

I’m then going to whiz down to Costa Rica where I’m cooking in it’s called the Jungle Culinary Adventure Restaurant and we’re toying with
the idea of whether we could do dining in the dark down there. And I said well actually I think he I want him cooking in the dark.

Then I’m going back to Virginia Beach and I particularly welcome anybody in the Virginia Beach area to get in touch who might like to do some cooking with me. They don’t have to be blind it could be anybody. And I’m looking for professional chefs to.

then I’m coming quickly back to the U.K. really just to do
the washing and catch up on some sleep.
Then I’m whizzing over to Chongqing, n China where I’m going to be working with the Rotary Club there who are already running a project to help local visually impaired people.

Then I’m going down to Australia to a place called Chioma where I’m hoping to cook with a local M.P. who happens to be visually impaired. And there’s also somebody who does bush tucker; So when you’re out in the outback where do you get
food from but from the bush and then you turn that into something my fingers are crossed edible. Not too wriggly and creepy crawly.

Then I’m going down to Melbourne and I’m already linking up with another Blind Cook down there.

Then I’m going on from there to Malawi and then back to the U.K.

And then I’ve got a whole program of more activities back in the U.K. particularly exploring some of the things that James Holman and might have understood and recognized. Because of course I worked in the Naval Base, the dockyard and many of the buildings he might have known. His ship was just on the other side of the water Portsmouth here in Hampshire.

We’re going to make videos all the way through. So I’m hoping to publish a video every week for a year. And they’ll be blogs and of course all the recipes.

TR:
What would you do with 25,000 dollars?
I’m sure there are lots of ideas out there, but
ideas aren’t worth anything by themselves.

I’d imagine that , contestant’s ideas were only a part of how the winners were determined.

I think it’s more like investing in the person. You want someone who can show the ability to see things through.

[TR in conversation with PMB]

A lot of people have the idea , but then they don’t make that step. How did you make the step?

PMB:
I did say I was a bit determined didn’t I.

But I think I’m also quite a creative person so I’m always looking for that sort of added different approach

TR:
Cooking is just one of Penny’s creative outlets;

In addition to making jams and preserves, she does pottery, flower arrangements. Hammers out crafts and more using Pewter –
a metal mixture that includes mainly tin.

PMB:
I design buildings as well. I’m sitting in my conservatory which I built as a birthday present to myself. I had it very clear in my head what I wanted and I have this great architect. We designed it absolutely right down to where the power sockets would go on the walls from my head. Then he built me a little cardboard model so I could check that he done it right and now I’m sitting in it.

Just because you’re blind doesn’t mean you can’t use your hands really
well.

TR:
Or your legs, your mind… you get the point!
Unfortunately, not everyone believes that’s true.

And too often those who lose their vision internalize these misbeliefs.

Yes, adjusting to blindness or any disability can cause depression. This could lead someone to feel their creative lives are no longer an option.

Penny offers additional insight and an approach to slowly breaking through.

PMB:

Much more of it is about the social isolation. The fact they can’t work. They’re sitting at home, they’re poorer, their health is suffering with that extra depression.

Their family and friends may be supportive but they still find it really difficult interacting across the broader community. yet underpinning all of that here is huge frustration determination motivation and if you can just tap into that and help them explore that, they’re away. And so I think people can convince themselves that they’re not creative the not. Aspirational because it’s a safe place to be. But actually once you can show them that you can achieve lots of things without risking safety too much you know we all need to know that you know life is a secure as we can make it. That all sorts of great things
are out there.
[TR in conversation with PMB]

That place to me, where I think they think they are, is a very scary place to me.

PMB:
Well status quo bias is where you believe that where the condition that you’re in at the moment is safe and secure even though that condition may be quite miserable.
And even if people demonstrate to you the benefits of making change you still resist it because you have that bias towards the status quo.

Here in the U.K. if you’re unemployed you may be in receipt of government benefits to help you live and people. feel that that safe and secure because at least they know they’ve got some income for the foreseeable future. And to break through that. Into it explain to the matter if you’ve got a job you’d be happier if family be happier your health would be better and have more money. It’s still getting across that big jump. Which is quite tricky for them and so the answer is you take in very small steps very small incremental steps so that at no stage are they having to make a huge decision to make that break from benefits into work. You help them make it gradually so that they’re not being faced with huge risk. The driving force behind I’m going to stick where I know I’m safe is very important but let’s just expand that area of safety so that it’s a bit more ambitious in the longer term.

[TR in conversation with PMB:]
Yeh, just dip the toe… dip the toe in the water!

PMB:
Yeah

TR:

That moderate approach to adjusting can allow a person to slowly realize what they once viewed as a cost of vision loss could
prove to be a real benefit. Something I had to learn myself.

PMB:
people miss that huge advantage of being slightly vulnerable relying on somebody else and the benefit you get out of it. The number of delightful people that I meet and the bonding you get supportive bonding you know it’s a joy. I travel down perhaps I’m Darbyshire and they’ll be eight people that I will meet on that journey all of the other people traveling just passed their ticket to the ticket collector and don’t speak to anyone. I’ve had all that delight in that person interaction all that way.

[TR in conversation with PMB]
For me I know for a long time I was thinking that the first way, just passing my ticket and being quiet was the best way. And I have to remind myself that no this new way actually probably is the best way.

PMB:
the benefits are huge.

TR:
Baking Blind is a winner of the Holman Prize because Penny as a history of making things happen. That’s just one reason to be a fan of Penny & Baking Blind. Plus there’s that ability to adapt, the desire to create using what she has not wanting for what was lost, going for big goals like changing how the public views disability.

And of course the laugh!

If you’re interested in cooking with Penny go ahead and drop her an email at Penny@BakingBlind.com. Which is where you can find more about Penny, follow her journey and of course grab some recipes.

I’m Thomas Reid for Gatewave Radio

[Audio:
PMB: oh I could do that.]

Audio for independent living.

RMMRadio Outro

When I learned about the Holman Prize I actually
thought about entering. the truth is I really didn’t have an independent ambition. I wanted to tell the stories of the winners.
I wanted to have real access to the winners to shadow their progress and really see the inner workings of their projects and
them as individuals.

But who knows, maybe the future has something like that in store.
For now, I have Face Time, I have Skype and if that’s what I have to do then it’s all good baby!
Isn’t that the Holman spirit!

Penny, like Holman, could have easily taken that Royal Navy Pension and sat in her chair and found some other way to entertain herself.

Like Penny, my response to that…

[Audio: Penny Laughs]

Sorry it’s just such a great hearty laugh I couldn’t resist.

Make sure you visit and subscribe to Baking Blind on YouTube.
All the links are on the blog post accompanying this episode on Reid My Mind.com.

Next time you are going to hear about
a man who is planning on Kayaking alone from Europe to Asia. And no he’s not crazy!

And then, we’re going to Uganda, well via Skype for now
to visit with a gentleman who already has the country buzzing with
how he’s directly changing the lives of others who are blind.

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Peace

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